Posts by mind blown

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Jesus is pro-gays and anti-religionists

by Fernando in

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simple version:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrlzyw6ulyw.

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Great posts and insights

I dunno, there are many things that are not spelled out directly in the bible and because times were different as OldGDude brings out, it's hard to say.

That being said, there are many examples I gleen from Jesus and his associates. For instance Mary Mag was a prostitute, but once she learned of Jesus and his message, she dropped her old ways and followed him, she didn't continue.

On the other hand Jesus sat and ate with wordly people, he was nice and friendly with them, he usually let loose on the religious learders of his day becasue they were hypocrits and inforceing unbarable laws that no one could live up to.

But the thing that I've always wondered is, how come animals engage in homosexual sex? Is that natural or due to imperfect conditions? If one believes in the Genises story of mankind losing perfection, I would think Jesus reasom would cover this if one couldn't help their sexual orientation from birth.

Does anyone now the real answer.....

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I too have been charged with apostasy! Stunned.

by FinchAndWeston in

jw
friends

my wife and i got a letter sent to me stating we are being called before a judical hearing to discuss allegations of apostasy!

we haven't gone to the meeting in 5 years.

are the jw's on a witchhunt lately?

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It doesn't matter if you've been MIA for a few years. If an elder drove by or someone else snitched you off, the elders HAVE TO act on what they saw or what someone accused you of.

Don't go to the JC......screen your phone calls........and watch your front door........you may even want to send your DA letter certified......go out on your terms. And if it comes down to where you're face to face......lie your ass off.....screw them...again go out on your terms....

My best you and your wife

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Wactch Tower Society Corporation and Attorneys Vested Interest At Heart

by mind blown in

inasmuch as the united cemeteries corporation---of which russell was a trustee-was later found to be a dummy corporation for watch tower assets.. .

"and did you not take title to property as a dummy for the watch tower society?".

in 1910 one of the friends of our society, who had raised some of this wheat, sold it for seed at $1.00 per pound, and donated the proceeds to our society.

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PS: Sorry, when I was doing researh, one thing just lead to another. I had no intention of making this a conspiracy theories type thread though it seems that way. My intent was to show the corporate side of the WTS which is hidden from the rank and file. Though it seems the WTS initally wasn't an officail secret society, it sure seems to me they've sure turned into one now

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Wactch Tower Society Corporation and Attorneys Vested Interest At Heart

by mind blown in

inasmuch as the united cemeteries corporation---of which russell was a trustee-was later found to be a dummy corporation for watch tower assets.. .

"and did you not take title to property as a dummy for the watch tower society?".

in 1910 one of the friends of our society, who had raised some of this wheat, sold it for seed at $1.00 per pound, and donated the proceeds to our society.

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We already know who's really running and has vested interest in the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses, it all makes sense to me now. But orindary JW pulishers have absolutey no clue. It's no wonder the WTS sends JW's to law school and has thier own in house firm.

Control, Selling off property, New KH Remodeling Scemes, terms as Kingdom "Hall", The "Society", "New Order", Watchtower "Society" and who are these "Shareholder Corporation Members" in acticle twelve that the WTS Charter speak of. These Early Chirstian Pilgrams got hip to Capitolizm at it's finest.

http://www.witnessesuntome.com/1945_Charter_of_WTBTS.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo6Ry0Mu6pE

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NOTE: Below I found this telling post on JWN by thinker, in which shows the real foundation of the WTS below. Also Brother Bohnet designed Russells Pyramid Monument.

Most powerful people have a number of underlings to do their "dirty work". This is the story of one of those underlings:

The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, located at 25 Columbia Heights in Brooklyn, New York was incorporated in 1909 in the State of New York as a Private Company, by Charles Taze Russell and several of his followers. Previously they incorporated as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society under the laws of Pennsylvania as a Nonprofit corporation under the date of December 15, 1884.

The United States Investment Co. Ltd. was incorporated June 24, 1896 in Pittsburg, PA.

From the records in Pittsburg:

"'Article 1. Names of Subscribers: John A. Bohnet, Ernest C. Henninges,Chas. T. Russell.

"'Amount Subscribed by Each: Bohnet $5.00; Henninges $5.00; Russell $990.00.

"'Article 3. For purpose of buying and selling real estate, patent rights, stocks, bonds, and other securites, merchandise, building homes, etc.

"'Article 4. Name of Association is U.S. Investment Co., Ltd.

"'Article 6. Officers--… C. T. Russell, Manager.'

As I see it, Russell wanted to start a corporation and needed two "straw men" to make up the required number of three for incorporation. One would assume he would choose two men that he could trust. Note the name John A. Bohnet and the date of 1896.

In 1905 a Watchtower booklet called "Features of the Plan of God" is written by J. A. Bohnet.

Bohnet's 1910 letter to the Russell in the Watchtower:

The Watch Tower, October 1, 1910, page 307
MIRACLE WHEAT AND MIRACLE RYE
Two grains of this wheat were given to the Editor, who, in turn, handed them to a brother in the Truth, who reported that the two grains produced 1,312, which, planted, produced five pounds -- one grain having fifty stools of well-developed stalks or straws. The brother planted the miracle wheat alongside of some ordinary wheat, and reports that the miracle wheat heads are from three to five inches long and from three to five grains to the mesh, whereas with the common wheat the heads are from two to three inches in length.
Another brother obtained some of the miracle wheat and, out of the first crop, presented the Editor a peck of the same. This was entrusted to another brother, a farmer, who has just handed the Editor $100 proceeds therefrom, with the following report: --
As you remember, I secured also a peck of the miracle wheat from a brother in the Truth as a donation to yourself (because he first heard of the miracle wheat through THE WATCH TOWER).
Brother Kuesthardt advertised the wheat in his paper, and the money sent you is the result of the sales at $1 per pound.
Your brother in Christ,

J. A. BOHNET.
In the year 1911 J.A. Bohnet, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and Samuel J. Fleming, of Wabash, Indiana, each having a quantity of Miracle Wheat, together presented to the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY the aggregate of about 30 bushels with the proposition on their part that the wheat should be sold at $1.00 per pound and all the proceeds arising from the sale thereof should be received by the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY as a donation from them, to be used by said Society in its religious work.
1911:
Attacking Pastor Russell "for sailing under false pretenses," Rev. E. L. Benedict of the Mason M. E. Church today declared the evangelist had made a fortune by selling books and wheat, using his religion as a means to raise money.
We are informed that his man, Mr. Bohnet, sold $100,000 worth of miracle wheat at $1 a pound, and while Pastor Russell claims not to have sold the wheat, yet Mr. Bohnet has his office in Pastor Russell's church and Pastor Russell got the money for the publication of his tracts.
Russell's Reply:
"Miracle Wheat" is a new variety of wheat discovered and so named by a farmer at Fincastle, Va. I copied an item about it from a newspaper in my religious journal, which carries no advertisements. Three years later one of the readers wrote me that he had bought some of the miracle wheat at $1.25 per pound and found it very prolific--up to 3,000 grains from one seed. He sold some of it and donated to the society of which I am the president.
The following year he and another donated 18 bushels, fixed the price at $1 per pound and asked that it be mentioned in my journal and that we bear the trouble of mailing it. I merely gave their reports and a copy of a report by United States government expert. The wheat was sold and in all $1,800 was thus donated by these two friends to the work done last year amongst the heathen. No one ever complained of the wheat, and all were offered "money back" if not satisfied.
Notice how Mr. Bohnet is described as "one of the readers". By this time John Bohnet had been Russell's business partner for 15 years! Six years prior to 1911 Mr. Bohnet had written a booklet for the Watchtower, Features of the Plan of God. Yet Russell describes him as just another reader of Watchtower literature!
In 1911, the market price for wheat was 59 cents to $1 a bushel. In Charles Taze Russell's Hicks Street Tabernacle, "miracle wheat" was being sold for $60 a bushel, or $1 a pound.
The "miracle wheat" came into the hands of the Watch Tower Society when the president of the United Cemeteries Corporation of Pittsburgh gave J. A. Bohnet "permission" to plant the Stoner wheat on his land and expressed his willingness to donate the crop to the Watch Tower Society. Inasmuch as the United Cemeteries Corporation---of which Russell was a trustee-was later found to be a dummy corporation for Watch Tower assets.

The Watch Tower, June 15, 1911, page 178

A DONATION OF MIRACLE WHEAT
Brother Bohnet writes us that he has gradually accumulated a crop of miracle wheat from the few grains he obtained as a start. He prefers that the first opportunity for obtaining this wheat shall go to THE WATCH TOWER readers. He will sell it for $1 per pound, including postage, and give the entire proceeds to our Society. All orders for this wheat should be addressed, Miracle Wheat Bohnet, 17 Hicks street, Brooklyn, N. Y. This will keep mail on this subject separate from his personal mail and from ours.
Brother Bohnet promises to be ready to ship this wheat by August 1. He says miracle wheat should be sowed one-fourth as thick as common wheat. Ordinarily it should produce from ten to fifteen times as much proportionately to the amount sown. To save keeping account, money should accompany the order. WATCH TOWER readers will have the preference up to August 15, after which orders will be attended to indiscriminately, so long as the supply holds out. This wheat should be sown in the fall.
The Watch Tower, August 1, 1911, page 226

MIRACLE WHEAT IN DEMAND
The notice in THE WATCH TOWER of June 15 that Brother Bohnet has "miracle wheat" in abundance now, and that he will sell it at $1 per pound and donate the entire proceeds to our Tract Fund, has brought in many orders. These will be filled between August 15 and September 1. No limit as to supply has been noted. Sent by Express, prepaid, the price will be twenty-two pounds for $20; fifty-five pounds for $50; larger quantities at the latter rate. The merits of this wheat over the common variety have been mentioned in previous issues of THE WATCH TOWER.

Russell denied that the U.S. Investment Co. was a Russellite Co., that he was the President or manager of it, that he was stockholder in it, or that he had any interest in it whatever. He also claims that this U.S. Investment Co. had long ago become defunct. In the People's Pulpit, a Russellite paper, Vol. 3, No. 13, in the second column, near the top of page two, you will find the "Pastor" explaining to his readers about this company. He says, "I have not one dollar invested in it; nor have I been even nominally connected with it."
1912:
On September 23, 1912, the Eagle ran a cartoon called "Easy Money Puzzle."
Russell sued the Eagle for libel, demanding $100,000 in damages for "injury to his reputation, good name, fame and standing."
The case was brought before Justice Charles H. Kelby and a jury in the Kings County Supreme Court.
One of the juicier allegations made against the Watch Tower Society was that it had coerced an insane man, Hope Hay, into contributing $10,000 to its funds. William E. Van Amburgh, secretary-treasurer of' the Watch Tower Society, acknowledged that Mr. Hay was in an "insane asylum" and that the Watch Tower Society was footing his bills, but denied that Mr. Hay had not given his money of his own free will.
The jury of twelve men was out for less than forty-five minutes before it returned a verdict of not guilty in the Eagle's favor.
The evidence that weighed most heavily with the jury was that of Mr. Van Amburgh.
"But your annual report of the Watch Tower does not show that your society gets anything from its affiliated corporations?"
"No, sir. It is not a detailed report."
Persistent prodding by the Eagle's attorneys revealed the existence of two dummy corporations, the United States Investment Co., Ltd., and the United Cemeteries Corporation.
"And did you not take title to property as a dummy for the Watch Tower Society?"
"Yes, sir. I took title to a farm near Pittsburgh some years ago. The money was that of the Watch Tower Society. I deeded it to the United States Society, which, in turn, signed it over to the United Cemetaries Company."
"Why do you not do all your business in the name of the Watch Tower Society; that is why do you need the dummy corporations?"
"Some people seem to think that a religious corporation should do no so-called secular business whatever," said Van Amburgh, who had compounded his troubles by saying that the reason he held the title to substantial properties used by the Watch Tower Society was that the Investment Company did not deal in mortgages. "They do not see the propriety of it-No, let me change that answer-I mean that the United States Investment Company and the United Cemeteries were in existence before I ever came to Pittsburgh, and we have continued to use those companies for their convenience ever since."

1913: Russell refers to Bohnet as just a "friend of the Society":

The Watch Tower, February, 15, 1913, page 62

"AS DECEIVERS AND YET TRUE"
Some of our readers purchased seed from Mr. Stoner at $1.25 per pound and approved it. In 1910 one of the friends of our Society, who had raised some of this wheat, sold it for seed at $1.00 per pound, and donated the proceeds to our Society. In 1911 the same friend, having raised more seed, asked that THE WATCH TOWER give the benefit of this to its readers at $1.00 a pound post-paid, and appropriate the net results to the furtherance of its work. Another friend, who had some of the same seed, also donated similarly, the total amount being twenty bushels.
For the accommodation of our readers, we allowed this seed-wheat to be put up in pound packages and mailed from THE WATCH TOWER Office, just as the U.S. Government handles such seeds at Washington. We did the business at the request of others and in their interest, and credited them on our books with the results, setting aside to them proportionately voting shares in our Society. We made no claim for the wheat on our own knowledge. We merely gave the report of the Government expert, of the originator, and of our friends who had tried the wheat. We merely acted as intermediary.
Sincerely, and undismayed, I remain a servant of God.
CHARLES T. RUSSELL.
Brooklyn, January 29, 1913.
1915:
A GREAT BATTLE IN THE ECCLESIASTICAL HEAVENS
COPYRIGHTED, 1915 BY J. F. RUTHERFORD NEW YORK CITY
UNITED STATES INVESTMENT COMPANY
"Much ado has been made by his enemies about business corporations with which Pastor Russell is connected, particularly with reference to the UNITED STATES INVESTMENT COMPANY.
The fact is that this company was never a corporation in the strict sense of the word. It was a limited partnership organized under the Statutes of Pennsylvania. Its capital stock was $1,000. Pastor Russell furnished that $1,000 out of his personal means.
This company was organized for the purpose of taking title to certain property which it did take over and afterwards disposed of, and every dollar that was received therefrom went into the treasury of the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY, and was used for its religious work.
Pastor Russell did not receive one cent profit therefrom, nor has any other person ever reaped any pecuniary profit therefrom.
This company has been out of existence for more than two years, and does not own anything today, even its capital stock being expended by the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY in its religious work.
There is no corporation in existence anywhere in the world in which Pastor Russell owns a single share of stock, nor in which anyone else holds any stock for his use or benefit."
1917: "Knowing that the law required three members of the Board to be residents of the State of Pennsylvania, and that the appointment should be made in Pennsylvania , I went to Pittsburgh, and on the 12th day of July, 1917, there appointed Dr. W. E. Spill and Brother J. A. Bohnet, of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, and Brother George H. Fisher, of Scranton, Pennsylvania; and Brother A. H. Macmillan, of New York, as members of the Board of Directors.
Each of the above named brethren signed a written acceptance of such appointment. We then had a full and complete Board of seven members, to-wit: Brothers Van Amburgh, Pierson, Spill, Bohnet, Macmillan, Fisher, and Rutherford. All of these brethren signed a statement consenting to a meeting of the Board of Directors, agreeing that meeting of the Board of Directors should be held July 17, 1917."
On 1917 July 17 Rutherford claimed that since the Society charter provided for the election of directors annually, only the three officers of the board (having been elected officers that January) were truly board members. He therefore appointed A.H. MacMillan, G.H. Fisher, J.A. Bohnet, and W.E. Spill to the board positions occupied by Ritchie, Wright, Hirsh, and Hoskins.
The annual election of Society officers and the first election of the Board of Directors came 1918 January 5, during the Pittsburgh convention January 2-6. R.H. Barber nominated for director: J.F. Rutherford, W.E. VanAmburgh, A.N. Pierson, A.H. MacMillan, W.E. Spill, J.A. Bohnet,...
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NOTE: I don't have proof but if my suspicions are correct I'm wondering if the WTS own these companies as dummy companies? From a past post on JWN:
From mind blown @00Dad on your second link, did you happen to see these noted on that post? What the heck is "Fine Times"???
Does anyone know about this "Fine Times" company?
Ben July 21, 2010 at 5:03 pm #
Brennen, and Porter,
A company named Fine Times that owns a number of properties in Brooklyn Heights has a few Watchtower people who are partners or employees. Fine Times bought a number of derilict properties and made an attempt to clean them up and turn them around I hope that they were successful but who knows they bought high at the boom then the crash who knows how thing went? [I THINK Fine Times is a part of the Jehovah Witnesses.]
Ben July 21, 2010 at 10:55 pm #
Donald Brennan,
For some more information about Fine Times find me at[email protected] I can give you some names and adresses all public records

AND:
From:mind blown @00Dad I just did a google seach for this "Fine Times Inc." here's what came up... http://www.manta.com/c/mm5wrlz/fine-times-inc (in case link doesn't work) http://www.manta.com/c/mm5wrlz/fine-times-inc
I also did a domain name search as well email search and who it's registered to. The info is pretty well shelded under this http://www.domaincrawler.com/12.3.51.210 however, notice on this page "Fine Times Inc." is also linked with this company armoniainvestments.com which is a major real estate firm. I wondering if the WTS owns Armonia Investments or just does real estate business with this company....?
Ha.....as you can see I have lots of time on my hands today! What's that saying? Idle hands .......lol
If anyone out there has time and can check this out? It could be nothing or a whole lot of something.....

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Wactch Tower Soicety Attorney

by mind blown in

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What apostates fail to recognize is...

by nananana in

you can cut & paste all the excerpts from articles you want...you can leak all the boe letters, you can pretend to be witnesses and come to the conventions and meetings...but.

no other organization can begin to rival the success and magnitude of the prophecy found in mt 24:14. so apostates....don't waste your time spending countless hours digging up articles and reading books to convince yourself to turn away from jh's organization.

no matter what "evidence" you find you cannot ignore the obvious fulfillment of matthew 24:14.. .

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What JWs fail to realize:

2 Thessalonians 2:!,2

The Man of Lawlessness

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

DOES 1914 Chrst began his rulership in heavens AS WELL AS THE OTHER MANY FAILED PROPHACIES SOUND LIKE SOMETHING YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE?

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Why Is The Watchtower Liquidating Itself?

by metatron in

jw
friends

in 2009, they reported 118 branches.

in 2011, they reported 98 branches.

a net loss of 20 branches in 2 years.. they are selling off kingdom halls, here and there - sometimes packing several congregations into one hall where one per building was the rule.not compassionate where weather or other traveling factors could injure publishers..... and they're selling off some assembly halls, too.. brooklyn et al is being sold - and you already know about all the many cutbacks, layoffs and the downsizing of magazines.. why?.

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metaron Thanx for the post I believe it to be so and it makes the most sense.

Think about it. If the WTS TRULY believe The End is soon to arrive, why the need for so much $$$$$ in the new system? After all, aren't Gods people going to share lovingly with one another along with the annointed GB Princes? Isn't Jehovah going to provide everything needed for his faithful ones? Just because the economy is in decay, why will they need to be economically sound in the "new order" <(term now embarressed to use)?? Are they going to be the next Federal Reserve of the new system? Even if some believe $$$$ is needed for expansion, the decrease in membership clearly show that's not the case.

I truly think downsizing property $$$ as well as streamling product $$$ is saving KAZLLIONS for themselves, they now realize the gig is up and protect thier assests from future law suit assults, bad economy, falling membership, as well as a failed leadership to it's members and the world.

You know Jehovah hasn't told them to sell, sell, sell, because they don't doll out spirit inspired information from the GB (now confusing ones) yes GB info in WT is inspired, then it's not, then it is, then it's not......??? It would be maddness to put trust in such a sham...

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Should Barbara Anderson Write a Book?

by Scott77 in

if yes, would you buy it?

what would be the suggested topic for the book?

any idea are welcome.. .

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Yes! Absolutely!

It's motivation behind writing a book. She would be helping MANY and it would be great to get a varied style of prospective. I love CoC, so honest and informative. He listed many many dates and times which is what was needed to prove he wasn't lying, but for me personally after a while, all those dates and times got to be a bit boring and I got data overload. I'd like to hear someone elses view point and story as well.

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Cofty -- well wishes

by talesin in

jw
friends

i've been looking for a thread, but can't see one ..... .

our fellow member cofty, should be through his surgery, and i'm just sending love and healing energy for his recovery.. .

any well-wishes, prayers, thoughts ..... please join in!.

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Yes, indeed good call tal!

Speedy recovery Cofty!!

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Two Pastors Arrested For Failure To Report Sexual Abuse

by mind blown in

let's hope between steven unthanks crusade for justice in helping sexually abused jw children, along with more people speaking out, there will be a ripple affect to other countries!

pastors daniel and laura mccluskey from the church on the word in phoenix have been arrested.

the pastors were both arrested tuesday and booked on one count each of failure to report sexual abuse.

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Let's hope between Steven Unthanks crusade for justice in helping sexually abused JW children, along with more people speaking out, there will be a ripple affect to other countries!

Pastors Daniel and Laura McCluskey from the Church on the Word in Phoenix have been arrested. The pastors were both arrested Tuesday and booked on one count each of failure to report sexual abuse. I think this was in 2010.

http://www.faithtrustinstitute.org/blog/marie-fortune/81